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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:46 pm

sandi wrote:Loved LL Cool J as Jiggy, I agree that it was probably a one off as well unfortunately, did he just want to be in the show maybe?

I never even realised it was LL Cool J!


sandi wrote: Shirley Bellinger, is she the baby killer? I'm not sure about her, I think she's in Oz for her own safety rather being kept in the womans jail. She seems to be not quite with it, so it surprises me a little that she is on death row rather than being treated by a psychiatrist. Did Adebisi write the first note to her and I missed it? Hopefully we get to see more with the two of them that will explain more of her story.

It was heartbreaking when she rejected Adebisi. She is really disturbing. She is just how I imagine a female child killer would be. Excellent writing and acting.

I am finding that there are some people in the show that I sympathise with and want to get away with everything, no matter what they do. Adebisi, Alvarez and Augustus Hill, mainly.

El Cid looks familiar, but i'm not sure what from, and i'm scared to look because i'm already part spoiled. :thumbsdown:

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Beecher's crazy period is one of the best bits of the show imo.

I've watched all of Oz before and I'm currently rewatching (on season 6).

I prefer Mr Eko to Adebesi, but thats just cos Eko was the dogs bollocks, Adebesi is a great character too. Augustus Hill is better than Michael Dawson though.

Oz is a show that just keeps getting better and better with each season, season 6 was abit hit and miss though (imo), every character makes so many changes.


Is Beecher putting on the craziness for protection? I noticed when there was first a moment of sexual tension with Keller, Beecher went off into one of those crazy rhymes. I felt like he was doing it to reduce his desirability.

At this stage I think I prefer Adebisi to Eko. Haven't yet decided between Hill and Michael. Depends if Michael ever returns to lost, I think.

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sandi wrote:I've finished season 2 now, that last episode or so was quite hard to watch in places :unsure: I was worried that they wouldn't be able to top the season 1 finale riot, how wrong I was, the season 2 finale is possibly the best hour of television I have ever seen.


Yes, I've just finished S2 as well. Excellent, just excellent. S3 has just arrived and I can't wait to get started. I feel so lucky to still have 4 seasons of this show to enjoy, and great to not ever have hiatuses or week-long intervals.
We nearly watched the last episode while my daughter was still awake. :O I'm so glad we didn't, she would likely have been permanently damaged by it.

I really like the dynamic between Alvarez and Murcardo. Long may it continue.
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Re: Oz

Postby Spleen on Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:35 pm

DharmaJeep wrote:
Is Beecher putting on the craziness for protection? I noticed when there was first a moment of sexual tension with Keller, Beecher went off into one of those crazy rhymes. I felt like he was doing it to reduce his desirability.

At this stage I think I prefer Adebisi to Eko. Haven't yet decided between Hill and Michael. Depends if Michael ever returns to lost, I think.



I think months/weeks of abuse by Schillenger definetly unhinged him abit. The other prisoners have made comments about him being crazy/dangerous. I'd say imtimidatifng other prisoners as a method of self preservation definetly factors into his crazty rhyming.

I find Beecher abit of a wimpy and boring character most of the time, his crazy period is one of the highlights, but he never reaches those heights again imo.

Keller is such a great character and is the only thing that keeps Beecher interesting for most of the show.
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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:59 am

Spleen wrote:I think months/weeks of abuse by Schillenger definetly unhinged him abit. The other prisoners have made comments about him being crazy/dangerous. I'd say imtimidatifng other prisoners as a method of self preservation definetly factors into his crazty rhyming.

I find Beecher abit of a wimpy and boring character most of the time, his crazy period is one of the highlights, but he never reaches those heights again imo.

Keller is such a great character and is the only thing that keeps Beecher interesting for most of the show.


Keller is great, he's so unpredictable and he does liven things up a lot. Great bum, too. I'm up to 4.01 (Spoilers if you're not that far along, Sandi) and he just got shot. I'm really hoping he's gonna pull through but I think Kenny is a goner. 4.01 was a fantastic episode, probably in my top three.

I don't really like the Said/Beecher interactions, they are both better with more impetous characters. I'm not wholly impressed by the plot to get Schillinger to forgive him either, and I hope it's not going to drag out for too long.

Adebisi and O'Reily have got away with so much, surely one of them is going to get caught out soon? I'm finding Cyril a bit annoying. Ryan did need humanising but Cyril has outstayed his welcome for me.
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Re: Oz

Postby Sandiwich11 on Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:06 pm

DharmaJeep wrote:Keller is great, he's so unpredictable and he does liven things up a lot. Great bum, too. I'm up to 4.01 (Spoilers if you're not that far along, Sandi) and he just got shot. I'm really hoping he's gonna pull through but I think Kenny is a goner. 4.01 was a fantastic episode, probably in my top three.

I don't really like the Said/Beecher interactions, they are both better with more impetous characters. I'm not wholly impressed by the plot to get Schillinger to forgive him either, and I hope it's not going to drag out for too long.

Adebisi and O'Reily have got away with so much, surely one of them is going to get caught out soon? I'm finding Cyril a bit annoying. Ryan did need humanising but Cyril has outstayed his welcome for me.


I had a bit of a break as I was mega busy elsewhere, but I have caught up this last week. I did most of S03 in one sitting, I only didn't finish cos I was so tired and had to sleep :lol: Brilliant season, but I really think that 4x01 should have been 3x09 since it left you on a bigger cliffhanger than the actual finale did. And like you say, what an episode, is one of my favourites along side the S01 & 02 finales.

I have gone on further, am on 4x07 now but you will prob be around the same place by now. I was sorry to see Kenny die, I was expecting more of a comeback on the hits he arranged on his wife and his mate and it was odd to see that story fizzle out. I have been abit disappointed in Said this season too, I don't know if it's the story or who he's up against or what, but he just seems a spare part atm. And some of his acting has also been a bit...ummm...ropey, I find some of his over exagrated facial expressions abit :roll: for example.

I also felt that Schillinger's revenge storyline was very underused, parts of it were quite gruesome; Im thinking of hand in the package and Beechers gut wrenching screams that night. I think more could have been made of what Beechers was going through than just him being upset. I really do wonder how they can keep this kind of momentum between them going, they have both put each other through some terrible things and I am starting to dread what can come after killing each others first born :unsure:

I am also missing Miguel loads, I had to go and check to see if he gets caught on the run because I was missing the character so much. I'll put it in spoiler tags just in case:

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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:51 pm

sandi wrote:I had a bit of a break as I was mega busy elsewhere, but I have caught up this last week. I did most of S03 in one sitting, I only didn't finish cos I was so tired and had to sleep :lol: Brilliant season, but I really think that 4x01 should have been 3x09 since it left you on a bigger cliffhanger than the actual finale did. And like you say, what an episode, is one of my favourites along side the S01 & 02 finales.

I have gone on further, am on 4x07 now but you will prob be around the same place by now. I was sorry to see Kenny die, I was expecting more of a comeback on the hits he arranged on his wife and his mate and it was odd to see that story fizzle out. I have been abit disappointed in Said this season too, I don't know if it's the story or who he's up against or what, but he just seems a spare part atm. And some of his acting has also been a bit...ummm...ropey, I find some of his over exagrated facial expressions abit :roll: for example.

I also felt that Schillinger's revenge storyline was very underused, parts of it were quite gruesome; Im thinking of hand in the package and Beechers gut wrenching screams that night. I think more could have been made of what Beechers was going through than just him being upset. I really do wonder how they can keep this kind of momentum between them going, they have both put each other through some terrible things and I am starting to dread what can come after killing each others first born :unsure:

I am also missing Miguel loads, I had to go and check to see if he gets caught on the run because I was missing the character so much. I'll put it in spoiler tags just in case:

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He had to take a break from the show for most of the middle of S04 so that he could go and film Band of Brothers, but gets caught later on and is back. So I'm happy, and currently 'aquiring' BoB to watch next :rofl:


I'm glad you're back. I said the exact same thing about the season premiere cliffhanger being better than the previous finale to my husband, and also just last night i was pondering if Said has always been fail at acting or if he suddenly forgot how to do it. Maybe that's why he's having a lower profile at the mo? I'm on 4.06 currently.

It seemed a bit of a waste to have Kenny Bricks die like that. I really started to feel for him when Adebisi stopped him from reading that inspiring book that Mcmanus gave him. Until he ordered the hit on his wife, I really thought there was a chance he could be saved. How are you liking Johnny Basil? Before he was revealed to be undercover, I thought that the actor had the most appalling fake accent ever but i guess it is the character who is bad at accents.

I am really hating the current phase of the Beecher/Schillinger plot. I think it was too horrific. I'm also a bit gutted that Beecher and Keller are enemies again because I like them as lovers. (Is that a bit wrong of me? Possibly so.) I'm also starting to find Ryan a bit heroic. I never thought that he ordered the rape on Gloria, and I think he's going to kill the guy that did it.

I am missing Alvarez too. I'm glad he's coming back. I think he's my favourite character overall, in terms of both story and aesthetics. :blush:
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Re: Oz

Postby Sandiwich11 on Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:48 pm

DharmaJeep wrote:I'm glad you're back. I said the exact same thing about the season premiere cliffhanger being better than the previous finale to my husband, and also just last night i was pondering if Said has always been fail at acting or if he suddenly forgot how to do it. Maybe that's why he's having a lower profile at the mo? I'm on 4.06 currently.


You don't know how glad I am to hear you say that. The other person I know who watches the show won't let a word be said against Walker so they didn't agree with me :bored:

How are you liking Johnny Basil? Before he was revealed to be undercover, I thought that the actor had the most appalling fake accent ever but i guess it is the character who is bad at accents.


The accent was sooo bad, in fact I was a little disappointed by Lance Reddick altogether. I'm abit ahead of you thou so I don't want to say much until you're further through season 4.

I am really hating the current phase of the Beecher/Schillinger plot. I think it was too horrific. I'm also a bit gutted that Beecher and Keller are enemies again because I like them as lovers. (Is that a bit wrong of me? Possibly so.) I'm also starting to find Ryan a bit heroic. I never thought that he ordered the rape on Gloria, and I think he's going to kill the guy that did it.


I know exactly what you mean about Beecher/Keller relationship, it has developed and been played so well that I can watch them as lovers or enemies and be happy thou. I'm glad your liking Ryan, there's just something about that Irish Charm isn't there ;) Him and Cyril are smack bang in the middle of the first storyline I'm finding a little...I dunno...far fetched maybe.

I think I'm going to watch some Band of Brothers this week so that we are more in the same place again, I'm finding it hard not to spoil you for the rest of season 4, esp the mid season cliffhanger :O :lol:

I am missing Alvarez too. I'm glad he's coming back. I think he's my favourite character overall, in terms of both story and aesthetics. :blush:


Right there with ya ;)
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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:46 am

I'm gonna reply in a couple of days when i've finished S4 but i found this Which Oz character are you? quiz:
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I am Augustus Hill apparently. I was hoping to be Keller. :hmm:
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Re: Oz

Postby Sandiwich11 on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:12 am

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Hmm, wanted to be Miguel :whistle:
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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:51 pm

Last night i watched S4 finale. Waiting for the bomb to go off was so nerve-racking and it reminded me of Lost. There were some bits of S4 I didn't really rate too highly, for example the aging drug plot was a bit WTF and them pretending that Alvarez was in solitary but then getting someone to do his voice that sounded nothing like him. I'm not a big fan of the IRA plot either, so hopefully that won't drag out too much longer. Did you fall for Beecher's dream? I did :whistle:

Said and his shadow stabbing the Aryans was mental! My husband and I were certain it was another dream sequence and we kept waiting for the reveal that never came. I'm glad Clayton is dead because he obviously went to the [i]Kareem Said School of Repetitive Acting for Limited Talent Performers[/i. I'm missing Adebisi, Keller, Alvarez and the Death Row gang, and enjoying Omar White and Burr Redding. But I'm glad Supreme Allah is dead :thumbup:

This show races through time and plots doesn't it? Some promising things and performers just get discarded and they keep giving new plots to some of the weaker links. I really enjoyed Moses Deyell, I thought his was a great story but then they just killed him offscreen and it seemed such a waste. I do like how extras sometimes get promoted to main cast though, that's something Oz does really nicely. (Did you know that Jaz Hoyt became a porn artiste after Oz? I'm not surprised ;) )

I watched a programme about Alcatraz the other day, and apparently the hole is/was real. I was sure Oz had used artistic licence to create it but no.

So how are you finding S5? Please title your reply with the ep you're up to so I don't get spoiled.
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Re: Oz

Postby Sandiwich11 on Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:07 am

I'm finished ep 5x04 the other day, but won't mention any of season 5 in this post :D

DharmaJeep wrote:Last night i watched S4 finale. Waiting for the bomb to go off was so nerve-racking and it reminded me of Lost. There were some bits of S4 I didn't really rate too highly, for example the aging drug plot was a bit WTF and them pretending that Alvarez was in solitary but then getting someone to do his voice that sounded nothing like him. I'm not a big fan of the IRA plot either, so hopefully that won't drag out too much longer. Did you fall for Beecher's dream? I did :whistle:


Yeah the drug aging plot was the O'Reilly brothers one I meant in my earlier post, the whole story made no sense at all :S tbh I think they shouldn't have bothered extending the season, to me it felt like they had no idea what direction to take in it. They could have scrapped alot of the nonsense plots (age pills, Ryan and the IRA, etc) and made more of the rest. I was taken in with Beechers dream to begin with, I was questioning why they would get rid of the character at the start of it thou, it didn't seem right. But when they started walking through the field as a happy family I was starting to disbelieve it was for real :P Not sure I liked it actually, it seemed abit of a 'cheap trick'.

Said and his shadow stabbing the Aryans was mental! My husband and I were certain it was another dream sequence and we kept waiting for the reveal that never came.


Only thing I have to say about that is that Said is no Adebisi :| I can see why they killed AAA off, there wasn't much else they could do with the character after what he had gone through, but I still wish Walker had died in that fight instead :thumbsdown:

I'm glad Clayton is dead because he obviously went to the Kareem Said School of Repetitive Acting for Limited Talent Performers.


I hated Clayton, I just don't get why they brought him back this season at all ¬¬ The only reason I can think of was to have another recognisable face locked up with Lance Reddick so that they could keep him on the show too. But that all ended up as a lame plot line too imo, which was a shame because I actually started liking Johnny Basil more once he wasn't undercover. I just hated his crap accent, it was so unbelievable that any of the inmates wouldn't have questioned it. And his attempts at being off his head on heroin were just as poor :PP

I'm missing Adebisi, Keller, Alvarez and the Death Row gang, and enjoying Omar White and Burr Redding. But I'm glad Supreme Allah is dead :thumbup:


I missed Alvarez like crazy throughout the whole season, made worse by all the pretending he was still there :( But as Band of Brothers was mainly shot in the UK over 10 months I suppose he just wasn't available. (I've nearly finished that btw, it's great but next to no Miguel in it at all :( ) I was surprised by how much I missed Keller too, it made me realise what a presence he has on screen as soon as he was gone. He definately brings the best performance out of others during a scene too, esp Lee Tergesen who was just drab when paired off with Eamonn Walker :whistle:

(Did you know that Jaz Hoyt became a porn artiste after Oz? I'm not surprised ;) )


:O The biker dude with the tats? ;)

I watched a programme about Alcatraz the other day, and apparently the hole is/was real. I was sure Oz had used artistic licence to create it but no.


That's scary to know :cry:

So how are you finding S5? Please title your reply with the ep you're up to so I don't get spoiled.


Season 5 has been great so far, the pace has picked up again and Miguel is back so I'm happy :D :wub: I'm going to wait before watching any more, let me know when you've watched 5x04 ;)

I have been finding lots of fan made videos on youtube, but am being very careful because I don't want to be spoiled on the last 2 seasons too much. I wanted to show you this one thou, it's an Adebisi tribute but it shows alot of my other favourite scenes from back then too. I'm going to link rather than embed the video due to its graphic portrayal of prison life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD177l2DNtw
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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:31 pm

sandi wrote:... tbh I think they shouldn't have bothered extending the season, to me it felt like they had no idea what direction to take in it. They could have scrapped alot of the nonsense plots (age pills, Ryan and the IRA, etc) and made more of the rest .

Absolutely right, season 5 is much stronger. I'm up to 5.05 now. episode 4 was really gruesome to watch wasn't it? I had my hands over my eyes when the young muslim got killed.


Only thing I have to say about that is that Said is no Adebisi :| I can see why they killed AAA off, there wasn't much else they could do with the character after what he had gone through, but I still wish Walker had died in that fight instead :thumbsdown:

I'm sensing Said may not be around for too much longer. I think this must surely be his final arc now. He has been getting worse acting wise. ¬¬


I hated Clayton, I just don't get why they brought him back this season at all ¬¬ The only reason I can think of was to have another recognisable face locked up with Lance Reddick so that they could keep him on the show too. But that all ended up as a lame plot line too imo, which was a shame because I actually started liking Johnny Basil more once he wasn't undercover. I just hated his crap accent, it was so unbelievable that any of the inmates wouldn't have questioned it. And his attempts at being off his head on heroin were just as poor :PP

I was thinking of starting to watch the wire after oz, but Clayton's in it so I'm holding back. Johnny Basil and the other old cop were interesting to me, I was starting to enjoy their scenes but Clayton ruined it, both in terms of acting and story. I did find Peter Schibetta better the second time around though. Like you, I find Beecher/Tergesen quite dull if he's not with Keller or someone with a bit more spark to them, so I'm not really enjoying the angry young kid he's got as his cellmate. I think the attractive female lawyer entering into some kind of twisted dynamic with Beecher and Keller is completely unbelievable, but I'm glad Keller's back so i'll take whatever crumbs they're offering. I'm still enjoying Ryan and Gloria's sort of relationship, I like Ryan's mum and I'm so happy to have full-time Alvarez back. :w00t: I hope Augustus Hill and Chucky Pancamo aren't going to die. I know neither of them are amazingly exciting characters, but I do enjoy them both. I like Morales too. He's handsome for a larger gentleman :)

Did you notice in Ken Leung's episode that he came to America from China by freighter? :rofl:

That Video you signposted was great. I'm steering clear of youtube til i've seen it all because I spoiled 2 deaths for myself by accident that way. :(

ETA: I justed noticed your awesome sig and avatar. :thumbup:
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Re: Oz

Postby Spleen on Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:44 pm

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Re: Oz

Postby Jeepy on Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:18 pm

Wow Spleen! *backs away*
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Re: Oz

Postby Spleen on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:43 pm

But I'm innocent. :cry:

Really... :devil: :P
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Re: Oz

Postby Sandiwich11 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:05 pm

Oh noes spleen, thou I think Id prefer to be Adabisi than boring Said ¬¬

I still need to watch the end of season 5, I'm so sorry Im so far behind but inbetween my new job and it being harvest time I just haven't had any time. I think I need to shut myself away behind a locked door for a day or two and get some serious watching done :(
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