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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby DarthLocke on Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:03 am

Two Sides wrote:Liked it :D Started of AMAZING! Kinda bore towards the middle. I'll carry on watching it because overall I thought it was OK. :D Cheapened by the amount of sex orientated scenes/dialogues. That **** me off a bit. The end shocked me, wtf is that man pushing that kid out the window hole area thing? Bastard :cursing: slightly harsh....

Also, why the hell was there a dwarf having an orgy?
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Although I haven't read them, something tells me these things are in the book(s), second it's HBO! When don't you see crazy sex scenes?! :lol:
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Two Sides on Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:06 am

Bella wrote:
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cheggie wrote:Two sides, you didn't read the books, did you?

Nope :) But I don't see how that would change anything regarding my previous post.


It was all straight out of the book. So if you don't like all the sex, give it up. ;) There will be plenty more. As for Tyrion, "the Imp," he's a really interesting character in the book, and think he'll be the same on-screen.

Rosa, don't worry. Summer (Bran's direwolf cub) is fine. :D

lol, I don't mind sex in TV on a level... I felt like I'd switched to a medieval porn channel at times. :|

Imp mean dwarf? :hmm:

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DarthLocke wrote:Although I haven't read them, something tells me these things are in the book(s), second it's HBO! When don't you see crazy sex scenes?! :lol:

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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Bella on Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:10 am

Two Sides wrote:lol, I don't mind sex in TV on a level... I felt like I'd switched to a medieval porn channel at times. :|

Imp mean dwarf? :hmm:


LOL Yes, that's what they call him.

And the books are very sexually charged, and very violent. But really, really excellent.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby brentoid on Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:51 am

@ two sides - its an HBO show, you should know that means oodles of sex :lol:

loved the premier...havent read any of the books, so im totally new to the world, but im more than happy to follow it...eye candy for everyone !! Daenerys is yummy... :D

you can really tell HBO has pulled out all the stops moneywise...

and already im wanting Cersei & Jaime to die (pricks), and Viserys Targaryen...i mean pimping out your sister !! what a dick move...

nice to have a good show on this time of year...
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Sandiwich11 on Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:25 am

Bella wrote:
Two Sides wrote:lol, I don't mind sex in TV on a level... I felt like I'd switched to a medieval porn channel at times. :|


And the books are very sexually charged, and very violent. But really, really excellent.


I don't have a problem if the sex/nudity actually helps the story along, but like many cable shows it did feel like it was there just because they can :P Maybe it's a cultural thing, but as a Brit I didn't find any of it shocking in any way, which is a shame because the last scene where the sister was stripped by her new husband had no where near the impact it should have had because she just came across as a bit frigid compared to the other characters. Also, as an aside, I seriously do not understand why she just didn't knife her brother in his sleep after the comment about how he would let the whole army and their horses rape her O.o
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Rosalind on Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:36 am

The shock factor for me was defined by the taboos being broken - in particular incest, not by the showing of boobage (which i see everyday tbh ;p) or the fact that a midget has sex regularly.

I'd say that the women, (especially blondie) were crassly disempowered, rather than seeming 'frigid' - however I suspect that it is the way in which the difference in the character later on will be accentuated (ie this is used as a device) - I am supposing we are meant to see this woman's strengths later, by way of her being abused by males now. (I havent read the books and know no spoilers, that's just my feeling at present).
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Sandiwich11 on Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:57 am

Rosalind wrote:The shock factor for me was defined by the taboos being broken - in particular incest, not by the showing of boobage (which i see everyday tbh ;p) or the fact that a midget has sex regularly.

I'd say that the women, (especially blondie) were crassly disempowered, rather than seeming 'frigid' - however I suspect that it is the way in which the difference in the character later on will be accentuated (ie this is used as a device) - I am supposing we are meant to see this woman's strengths later, by way of her being abused by males now. (I havent read the books and know no spoilers, that's just my feeling at present).


I don't think I was shocked by the incest, thou that scene did make me feel uncomfortable, I think that you have hit the nail on the head that she has been completely disempowered. In that scene with her brother she seemed to have inverted inwards a great deal and was very subservient to him, but I liked how she washed him off her body with the over hot bath as soon as he left. That for me showed me a great deal more about her character than seeing her naked did.

I wonder if she will get it on with Father Octavian from Who (he was the only English speaker in the tribe, I didn't catch his character's name) as part of her way of gaining strength? tbh she would make a far better Queen than her brother would a King, esp if she survives being married to the leader of the army :P
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Rosalind on Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:02 pm

wonder if she will get it on with Father Octavian from Who (he was the only English speaker in the tribe, I didn't catch his character's name) as part of her way of gaining strength?


Yeah i reckon he will become her confidante - and yes, the brother needs to die pretty quickly (lol, the bloodlust is catching XD)
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Sandiwich11 on Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:07 pm

haha, there definitely needs to be some more bloodlust soon, I'm expecting a big ole battle in the next episode, just hope it isn't all left down to a game of strategies for a few weeks :P

If the army do seize power by winning would the leader be content with only being King-in-law of the new lands? I think it would be far more in character to kill blondie off and start a new bloodline with his wife.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Rosalind on Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:15 pm

I don't mind the strategising at the moment- as long as they do it with such fabulous backdrops that look nice on my telly box :D -
but yeah it could wear a bit thin with nothing to break it up week on week - they have introduced quite a few characters in that first episode, and we've only really had a proper glimpse at a couple of those - so that bodes well :D
(@bella - I'm relieved to hear Summer is OK, I'd have stopped watching if he\she had carked it :thumbup: )
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby dutchie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:54 pm

This and The Borgias are my new favourite shows :thumbsup:
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Bella on Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:19 pm

Rosalind wrote:I don't mind the strategising at the moment- as long as they do it with such fabulous backdrops that look nice on my telly box :D -
but yeah it could wear a bit thin with nothing to break it up week on week - they have introduced quite a few characters in that first episode, and we've only really had a proper glimpse at a couple of those - so that bodes well :D
(@bella - I'm relieved to hear Summer is OK, I'd have stopped watching if he\she had carked it :thumbup: )


Summer's a boy. But I do warn you that in this story, no one -- animal or human -- is necessarily safe. So... ya know... brace yourself for deaths of both furry and human characters.

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(I'll watch humans die SO much easier than animals, but I spend my life chanting, "This isn't real, this isn't real," whenever an animal is injured or killed on a show or in a film...LOL)

As for Dany (as it's shortened in the books), she's not frigid -- she's very young (13 in the books, and probably only 16ish on the show) and a virgin, and she's being used by her evil brother toward his own end. As more of their history is revealed, you'll understand that the poor thing is just being used as a pawn and is basically powerless right now.

Any of the sex shown (save for the scene with Tyrion, which wasn't very graphic, anyway) was taken directly from the book -- so hopefully, they won't add to it gratuitously. In the books, it's not gratuitous, but it helps flesh these characters out as real and three-dimensional -- even more so than in my beloved LOTR, which was another quasi-medieval fantasy world, but one where no one appeared to have sex.

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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Joshua on Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:55 pm

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: Yawn. How boring.

A shame, after I'd heard such good things about it from Bella & Dreyesbo.

But it sent me almost to sleep.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Magic Box on Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:14 am

Josh, sorry. Think you could hang in for a few more episodes? There was a lot of exposition in that one, but I suspect the pace will pick up once the viewers have been presented the Who's who of this safe and sympathetic world :lol: and each person's pure and saintly agenda.

That required a rewatch and some thinking. For a fist dive, there was a lot to absorb. And once they have the audacity to introduce five - no, six - direwolf cubs, it's even harder to learn anybody else's name, status, and cup size.

Bella: I'll watch humans die SO much easier than animals


Ditto, so thank you for the underlying warning, people like us should do well ordering a box of parachutes for the pool of tears to come. I've already signed a contract with the left corner of my ceiling for it to solidly hold my gaze away from the screen whenever anything more than fur ruffled by the wind happens.

What stood out for this newbie:

Always looking for humor. There wasn't a ton, obviously Cruelty is Thy Name in these lands, but it makes appreciate more the little moments. Like, "You got fat." "..." *quick look at huge belly* *laughs, ice broken*.

Rosalind: such fabulous backdrops that look nice on my telly box


Absolutely this, the luscious greens of the North Ireland mountains, that original autumn tree Ned was sitting by, even the crackling chill of the northern winter, contrasted with the yellow and orange hues of Dany's world.

The richness of the characters. I don't think it's an easy feast to reach that level of depth for so many characters in just sixty minutes of story telling. Picture Tyrion presented as a hedonist in the beginning, then switching to him defiantly taunt Jon over and over, "Bastard, bastard, bastard", head high, eyes filled with contempt. But then, "Every father of a dwarf considers him a bastard" follows, and unfolds right there the core of his personal tragedy. I have other examples, but let's not turn this into an essay that would have the keyword panting and try to avoid a stroke.

Dany's story. It was the most interesting to me, for she seems so doomed in a sense that expresses so vividly the expression "stuck between a rock and a hard place" if the only people she can rely upon now are her walking barf patch of a brother and brand new giant husband that looks just about to behead her with a flash of his eyes.

The lore, the cultures. It's what I loved the most in LOTR, the difference between men, hobbits, elves, ents, etc. There was a striking difference between the Ned/king Robert culture, that of the blond siblings, and then that of her husband's people (sorry for not remembering the names, yet, they're a bit more complicated than "Harry and Ron.")

The opening credits. Well done, informative, not intrusive, not coming with some song/music that gets on your nerves, and actually one of the parts you want to use the rewind button for.

The reason I like fantasy is that it gives the authors of such work more leeway to unleash their imagination. I want people to tell me that you can eat candy that will taste either raspberry or vomit, depending on sheer luck, and that angry mail will scream its content out loud for everybody around to "read", and I'll cheer for their creativity. In that sense, I loved the idea that a season can last for an exaggerated amount of unknown years. Cliche, you were lost on this one. On a completely personal note, I loved the name Winterfell. Being nordic, I could just see naming my house (or igloo) that way and make that frigging awful winter sound more poetic. :lol:

Something I found funny: doggy style all over the place. I guess direwolves, antlers, and lion really have an influence on the people.

It's too new for me to have any cons or dislikes, which is probably a testament to how well they have succeeded in creating something the non-initiated can readily dive into. An Easter chocolate direwolf cub for them writers.

Something striking? I don't remember having noticed any one single note of the score. Oops.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.01 Discussion

Postby Bella on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:28 am

Magic Box wrote:That required a rewatch and some thinking. For a fist dive, there was a lot to absorb. And once they have the audacity to introduce five - no, six - direwolf cubs, it's even harder to learn anybody else's name, status, and cup size.


:lol: I think the number one phrase I've been seeing and hearing since the premiere is the term, "direwolf cubs."

Magic Box wrote:Ditto, so thank you for the underlying warning, people like us should do well ordering a box of parachutes for the pool of tears to come. I've already signed a contract with the left corner of my ceiling for it to solidly hold my gaze away from the screen whenever anything more than fur ruffled by the wind happens.


A woman after my own heart. :wub:

Magic Box wrote:The richness of the characters. I don't think it's an easy feast to reach that level of depth for so many characters in just sixty minutes of story telling. Picture Tyrion presented as a hedonist in the beginning, then switching to him defiantly taunt Jon over and over, "Bastard, bastard, bastard", head high, eyes filled with contempt. But then, "Every father of a dwarf considers him a bastard" follows, and unfolds right there the core of his personal tragedy. I have other examples, but let's not turn this into an essay that would have the keyword panting and try to avoid a stroke.


This is something that stands-out in the books, as well. Whereas most fantasy books have a very distinct line of Good v Evil, this story seems to be chock-full of realistically fleshed-out, nuanced characters. GRRM was quoted somewhere as saying, "Good men don't always make good kings, and bad men don't always make bad kings," which shows that he understands the layers of what make us who we are.
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