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[Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Dreyesbo on Mon May 30, 2011 3:37 am

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Explaining that the future of the Lannisters is at stake, Tywin presses Jaime to “be the man you were meant to be” as they prepare for battle. Ned confronts Cersei about the secrets that killed Jon Arryn. With the fate of the missing Benjen very much on his mind, Jon Snow takes his Night’s Watch vows, though not with the assignment he coveted. After Ser Jorah saves Daenerys from treachery, an enraged Drogo vows to lead the Dothraki where they’ve never gone before. An injured Robert takes pains to ensure an orderly transition at King’s Landing.


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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Sawyer5665 on Mon May 30, 2011 3:41 am

Wow....

Is about all I can say right now.

I think I'm going to have to watch that again....

BTW...Natalia Tena (aka Tonks from Harry Potter fame) plays her character Osha brilliantly! I hope she sticks around. :thumbsup:
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Dreyesbo on Mon May 30, 2011 6:08 am

Definitely a great episode.

I gotta say, the Lannister camp and their outfits are gorgeous. Love the use of their red/gold colors. And it's nice to finally get a glimpse at the Lannister patriarch, Tywin.

On the Jon front: not too much to discuss, but at least he feels part of something now. He truly is a man of the Night's Watch.

Daenerys: Ser Jorah Mormont changed his mind, apparently, but not until he recieved the pardon. Either way... that was some powerful acting by Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo). The possibilities of an army of Dothraki sweeping the seven kingdoms are huge. They wouldn't stand a chance. And Dany, at least, seems better fit to rule than the scheming lords in King's Landing.

Which takes us to Ned. He's so noble, and a great man...but a poor leader and politician. I love the man, but he needs to wise up. Not trust the man that has loved his wife since they were children.

Finally, I can't swear here. But [bleep] Littlefinger.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing: "King Joffrey" are the worst pair of words I've ever heard.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Sawyer5665 on Mon May 30, 2011 7:04 am

Now that Viserys is dead...and also King Robert...and with the Lannisters now in charge of the seven kingdoms, I am actually looking forward to the Dothraki invasion.

Dreyesbo wrote:Definitely a great episode.

Daenerys: Ser Jorah Mormont changed his mind, apparently, but not until he recieved the pardon. Either way... that was some powerful acting by Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo). The possibilities of an army of Dothraki sweeping the seven kingdoms are huge. They wouldn't stand a chance. And Dany, at least, seems better fit to rule than the scheming lords in King's Landing.

Which takes us to Ned. He's so noble, and a great man...but a poor leader and politician. I love the man, but he needs to wise up. Not trust the man that has loved his wife since they were children.

Finally, I can't swear here. But [bleep] Littlefinger.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing: "King Joffrey" are the worst pair of words I've ever heard.


What do you mean Ser Jorah changed his mind? I loved the scene with Drogo talking about winning his son a kingdom! Great, great scene.

You are right about Ned. He is no politician...but he never wanted to be. And he IS a great leader...of honorable men...soldiers fighting for a noble cause. He just doesn't stand a chance of leading "greedy" men.

LIttlefinger is a BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and so is "King" Goffrey. I hope both get what's coming to them.

Also, I'm suddenly VERY worried for Arya now that Ned is all but dead. :(
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby dutchie on Mon May 30, 2011 11:01 am

I need to watch this again since I saw it last week.

Daeni looked like she wanted to jump Kahl and do him right there infront of everyone when he gave his speech.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby DarthLocke on Mon May 30, 2011 1:17 pm

Sawyer5665 wrote:Wow....

Is about all I can say right now.

I think I'm going to have to watch that again....

BTW...Natalia Tena (aka Tonks from Harry Potter fame) plays her character Osha brilliantly! I hope she sticks around. :thumbsup:


I thought that's who she was! :lol:

This episode was just such a blow to the head...but Ned Stark should know a little better that the Lannister's would just take over and not abide by the documents...The guy from the brothel house, is just too smart, but If he truly loves Catelyn, then I can't imagine him killing Ned, because I think she would never want to see him again if that would become the case...I understand Ned wanting to be able to live with himself doing 'the right things', but sadly he's up against people who do not believe in middle ground, "If you play the game of Thrones you either live or die!"
I am also worried about his daughters, but Sense is surely at a loss since she seems to have no skill in fighting...but maybe now she can see that her :cough: King is nothing but a ruthless tyrant!

And Jon...that's too bad he didn't make Ranger, but perhaps his friend is right...he is going to be groomed for something better...but I still wonder about his oath in conjunction to the shift in the kingdoms...

and then off course the uproar with Daenery's husband...I can't decide if her adviser saved her to provoke him, or just because he loves her, besides the pardon he received???

Once again the episode went by too fast!! I think we only have 3 more episodes for the season! :scared:
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Dreyesbo on Mon May 30, 2011 3:05 pm

Sawyer5665 wrote:What do you mean Ser Jorah changed his mind?


Well, Varys had already sent him the pardon, the one the kid gave to him. He could have turned right there and then and returned to Westeros. But he knew what he meant, and returned and save Daenerys from the poisoner.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Lyannah Lynn on Mon May 30, 2011 3:28 pm

What a great episode -- as always!

The first scene with Tywin and Jaime Lannister was so powerful: did you notice the father was striping the skin off a deer, which is the symbol of the Baratheon House? I thought that was so symbolic: that's exactly what they are literally doing! Striping off Robert and now they've finally got what they wanted. Varys (the eunuch) makes a pretty good point when he emphasizes that Robert's 'squire' (which is a Lannister -- the clumsy blond boy) made sure the king didn't lack wine during his hunt. Oh, Cersei and her shadowy ways!

Lord Tywin was everything I expected of him from the books. I'm really looking forward to his scenes with Tyrion: they will be great!

Ned talking to Cersei in the godswood was great too. This passage in the book is the first one where we see some of Cersei motives (in the series they created that scene where she talks 'amicably' to the king and they talk about their past -- that was not in the books). So she was in love with Robert by the time they got married but was very hurt by his love for late Lyanna (Ned's sister)? Who would've suspected that? I don't think she was lying in the scene; do you? One very interesting information they put aside in the screen was she telling Ned that she once had Robert child (with black hair) but then she opted to make the abortion with the help of Jaime, because she wouldn't have Robert's children. That is the child she talked about with Catelyn when Bran was still in bed. But she lied then, when she said she suffered because of that miscarriage.

(Because of that scene of Catelyn and Cersei in the beginning of the series my boyfriend thought Jon's mother was Cersei and that Ned had some affair with her in the past but took the child away from her and since then they were enemies. And it was because of that affair that Ned wouldn't speak of Jon's mother again. Interesting theory but not true: first, I'd like to think Ned is more honorable than that and Cersei's abortion was explained in the books at least.)

Crazy theories aside... Let's go the Wall! It was very good the scene where Jon realizes he's not gonna be a ranger. What Sam said may be true: maybe they have great plans for Jon, because he more than proved to be the best with swords among the new boys. And that scene of the 'godswood' by the other side of the wall was good too. I loved the face carved in the tree. In the books there's a whole history for those faces in the trees, too bad there isn't much time to explain that on screen. And then in the end of the scene we see Ghost (Jon's wolf) with a hand in his jaws! Is that Uncle Benjen's or one of his rangers' hand? Are they gonna find the rest of the body?

Dreyesbo wrote: Ser Jorah Mormont changed his mind, apparently, but not until he recieved the pardon.


Dany was saved from treachery and I'm not sure Ser Jorah only protected her because he was already pardoned. I really don't know if Ser Jorah would be able to kill her to get that pardon. Maybe he just agreed to give info on Dothraki but not to kill her himself if it came to that. It is clear in the TV series that he's in love with her -- something only vaguely hinted in the books (but that's maybe because you don't have glances and faces expressions in the books :D ) Anyway I think it was never part of his deal to kill Dany and he was going to protect her anyway because he loves her/is loyal to her/is afraid of what the Dothraki would do to him if he killed her.

As you all already said, that was a great scene with Drogo! I'm seriously in love with Jason Momoa :wub: What a power this character has and what a great interpretation.

dutchie wrote:Daeni looked like she wanted to jump Kahl and do him right there infront of everyone when he gave his speech.


Interesting you said that because in the books they make love more than once in front of everyone. And I really missed that on TV because this public act is very meaningful to the Dothraki: they believe all the important things in life must be done in the sight of everyone.

Much better have Dany and Drogo having in sex in front of everyone and explaining the meaning of that than to create a useless scene IMHO with Littlefinger and two hookers rehearsing some kind of 'porn movie'. WTF was that scene?! :huh:

At last but not least... Poor Ned! He tried to do the right thing but the right thing can get you killed in King's Landing. Of course he couldn't trust Littlefinger because when it comes to vowel loyalty to someone he apparently is going to be on the winning side to save his own skin. Ned is the symbol of honor and truth in a corrupted world: any comparison with our real world is merrily coincidence. And what about Sansa and Aria now the father is apparently held captive? :cry:

Sawyer5665 wrote:BTW...Natalia Tena (aka Tonks from Harry Potter fame) plays her character Osha brilliantly! I hope she sticks around. :thumbsup:


Yes, Osha is just great! She was born on the other side of the wall and is trying to run as far away as possible from the north. What is there in the north of the wall? :hmm:

Dreyesbo wrote:Oh, and one more thing: "King Joffrey" are the worst pair of words I've ever heard.


Oh yeah! King Joffrey is a bad combination of words! I love the actor Jack Gleeson, he makes a Joffrey as petulant as the character is in the books. He makes us love to hate him and that's good!

DarthLocke wrote:Once again the episode went by too fast!! I think we only have 3 more episodes for the season! :scared:


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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Sawyer5665 on Mon May 30, 2011 4:26 pm

I really hope that Arya has learned enough about defending herself because her time in King's Landing is at an end. Depending on what ends up happening to Ned, she will either be killed herself (unlikely IMHO) or fleeing the city (much more likely). At this point, I really think that Ned is a goner. The odds are just too out of his favor. I mean, I guess I could see Robb bringing a small army of loyal Northerners to save him, but I don't think so...

I don't really care what happens to Sansa to be honest. I'm sure Cersei will keep her around though because she is so naturally loyal to Goffrey. I'm interested to see how she reacts to the news that her father is a prisoner.


What will Jon do when he finds out about his father??? His father in a dungeon and his uncle Benjen still missing north of the wall??? I'm very interested in Jon Snow and what he's going to do now..
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Dreyesbo on Mon May 30, 2011 4:46 pm

Sawyer5665 wrote:What will Jon do when he finds out about his father??? His father in a dungeon and his uncle Benjen still missing north of the wall??? I'm very interested in Jon Snow and what he's going to do now..


That's what I'm most looking forward to. I want him to stay at the Wall and train all of them into a better group than the ragtag crew they are now. And now that he's said the vow, he's one of them. But of course, worst timing ever. He's not ready to let go of his ties with his family down south.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby DarthLocke on Mon May 30, 2011 5:03 pm

Sawyer5665 wrote:I really hope that Arya has learned enough about defending herself because her time in King's Landing is at an end. Depending on what ends up happening to Ned, she will either be killed herself (unlikely IMHO) or fleeing the city (much more likely). At this point, I really think that Ned is a goner. The odds are just too out of his favor. I mean, I guess I could see Robb bringing a small army of loyal Northerners to save him, but I don't think so...



I don't really care what happens to Sansa to be honest. I'm sure Cersei will keep her around though because she is so naturally loyal to Goffrey. I'm interested to see how she reacts to the news that her father is a prisoner.


One on hand I kept thinking that perhaps Littlefinger won't let Ned die, because then if Catelyn ever found out it was him that let it all happen, she would never get close to him...on another hand if there were to be no proof that he helped participate in the death of Ned Stark, then maybe he will save the children and use them to black mail Catelyn...they will become brothel girls unless you sleep with me-kind of thing...

But I agree with your angle that Cersei would still want Sansa to be with Goffrey...however I am not sure if Cersei knows just how much of a monster child she has...and if anyone can control him...but I suspect Jamie might.


Saywer5665 wrote:What will Jon do when he finds out about his father??? His father in a dungeon and his uncle Benjen still missing north of the wall??? I'm very interested in Jon Snow and what he's going to do now..


I don't know how thats going go over either...especially after just taking the oath...maybe a compromise can be arranged??????-Especially if there are any whom choose to support Robert final wishes and allow for Ned to be the protector of the realm?!??????????????
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Postby brentoid on Tue May 31, 2011 12:37 pm

well everyone has already said pretty much what i would have said about this episode...

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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Cadence on Tue May 31, 2011 3:28 pm

Lyannah Lynn wrote: Ned talking to Cersei in the godswood was great too. This passage in the book is the first one where we see some of Cersei motives (in the series they created that scene where she talks 'amicably' to the king and they talk about their past -- that was not in the books). So she was in love with Robert by the time they got married but was very hurt by his love for late Lyanna (Ned's sister)? Who would've suspected that? I don't think she was lying in the scene; do you? One very interesting information they put aside in the screen was she telling Ned that she once had Robert child (with black hair) but then she opted to make the abortion with the help of Jaime, because she wouldn't have Robert's children. That is the child she talked about with Catelyn when Bran was still in bed. But she lied then, when she said she suffered because of that miscarriage.


Interestingly enough, the way that they are framing her initial love for Robert on the show makes me believe that they actually changed that little tidbit of information. In the novel, she goes out of her way to have an abortion, but in the show, she did seem genuinely sad when talking to Catelyn. Although Robert never confirms the story, the fact that Cersei frames it such that the child was born and yet died of a fever seems like it would be quite the slip up if Catelyn ever looked into the truth of the story.

I think that she did love her first child and that it was actually born. Having this kind of knowledge from the books makes understanding character motivations on the show really confusing lol XD.

Other than that, completely agree with you about the episode on the whole. The Littlefinger "sexposition" was really odd. I was watching with friends' parents. That was unpleasant XD. It didn't add anything to the scene except to show how creepy Littlefinger is.
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby DarthLocke on Tue May 31, 2011 3:46 pm

Cadence wrote:Other than that, completely agree with you about the episode on the whole. The Littlefinger "sexposition" was really odd. I was watching with friends' parents. That was unpleasant XD. It didn't add anything to the scene except to show how creepy Littlefinger is.



I don't know, I think that scene was quite intense...he shows that he deeply understands human political motivation and the scene pretty much broke down the human pysche to it's most basic physical-emotional state, showing that human aspiration is the same on every level, and there for political gain is all about con jobs and being able to make other people forget whom they are and what they want, allowing for another to take advantage of the situation to get material gain...We've seen this before when Deanery learns how to please her husband...now she has more power to attempt to get what she wants. Littlefinger shows his true colors and how much self control and strategic knowledge he has when dealing with other people...a business man. I think how ever unconfortible I was watching the scene, I can't deny it's psychological importance...
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Re: [Official] Game of Thrones Ep. 1.07 Discussion

Postby Cadence on Tue May 31, 2011 7:43 pm

DarthLocke wrote:I don't know, I think that scene was quite intense...he shows that he deeply understands human political motivation and the scene pretty much broke down the human pysche to it's most basic physical-emotional state, showing that human aspiration is the same on every level, and there for political gain is all about con jobs and being able to make other people forget whom they are and what they want, allowing for another to take advantage of the situation to get material gain...We've seen this before when Deanery learns how to please her husband...now she has more power to attempt to get what she wants. Littlefinger shows his true colors and how much self control and strategic knowledge he has when dealing with other people...a business man. I think how ever unconfortible I was watching the scene, I can't deny it's psychological importance...


I should be more clear. There were essentially two parts to the scene. The first of them was his whoring lesson segment, during which he revealed his methods and whatnot through whore training. This section spilled over to a certain extent to the second portion, during which he described his history with Catelyn and Brandon Stark. The continued moaning and sexytimes were distracting and confusing as we explored his past. The fact that he was so willing to share this information with whores was also kind of odd, considering how secretive and strategic a man he is. It went from a strangely pornographic exploration of his psyche, to extremely clunky "sexposition". You're very right about this scene having some important psychological importance and that it was more than an excuse to show some breasts; however, the expositional part of it was poorly executed in my opinion.
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