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Which violent cult classic do you prefer?

Poll ended at Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:09 am

Scarface (1983, Brian DePalma)
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6%
Scarface (1983, Brian DePalma)
5
6%
Scarface (1983, Brian DePalma)
5
6%
Scarface (1983, Brian DePalma)
5
6%
Fight Club (1999, David Fincher)
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19%
Fight Club (1999, David Fincher)
16
19%
Fight Club (1999, David Fincher)
16
19%
Fight Club (1999, David Fincher)
16
19%
 
Total votes : 84

Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club CLOSED

Postby Luhks on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:09 am

Current Poll: From the Cult Classic Bracket, a pair of dark and violent satires from two different decades. In 1978, a young Yale dropout turned Vietnam war veteran named Oliver Stone broke through into Hollywood by writing the Oscar-winning screenplay for Midnight Express, a drama about drug smugglers in a Turkish prison. A few years later, while battling his own cocaine addiction, he continued his examination of the supply-side of drug culture with Scarface. The film became more than just a crime picture, but a grotesque reflection of American excess in the 1980s (which Stone would later revisit with 1987's Wall Street). His screenplay was loosely based around the 1932 Howard Hawks classic Scarface: The Shame of a Nation, which was in turn based upon real-life Chicago gangsters. Veteran director Brian DePalma, a superb visual stylist who injects all of his films with intense kinetic energy, signed on to direct the epic project. Al Pacino, perhaps the greatest actor of his generation, agreed to play the Cuban-immigrant-turned-drug-kingpin Tony Montana. (Trivia: Stone was a fan of the San Francisco 49ers, and came up with the name by combining Tony Camonte of the original film with Joe Montana, his favorite player.) Pacino, in his personal favorite performance, brought the character to life with a legendary unmatched screen presence. The three towering talents of Stone, DePalma, and Pacino combined to mold Scarface into one of the true American masterpieces of the 1980s.

By the Clinton years of the late 1990s, the American outlook had changed considerably, and art evolved to reflect the times. Author Chuck Palahniuk made a major impact in his best-selling debut novel Fight Club. Although the book was generally regarded as un-filmable, ambitious director David Fincher took on the project anyway. Actors Edward Norton (fresh off Oscar nominations for Primal Fear and American History X) and Brad Pitt (who collaborated with Fincher on 1995's Seven and earned an Oscar nomination that year for 12 Monkeys), two of the most talented performers of their generation, proved to be perfect choices in their key roles. The film became one of three great American comedies from 1999 (along with the Oscar-winning American Beauty and fellow cult classic Office Space) to highlight the emptiness of modern workplace and consumer culture. The film met with mixed critical reaction: some hailed it as the 90s cultural equivalent of The Graduate or Taxi Driver; others condemned it as a fascist and potentially dangerous piece of propaganda; and the film's box-office receipts did not match its budget. I am probably one of many people who can testify that, when I saw it in theaters in 1999, the film changed much of my outlook on the world and on the power of movies. Most of its fans, however, grew to love it on home video, as Fight Club became one of the most successful DVDs of all time.

(An interesting piece of IMDB Trivia: Most films on the IMDB Top 250 have a slightly higher average rating among U.S. users than among non-U.S. users, usually 0.1 stars. Both Scarface and Fight Club, however, are exceptions to this trend. Scarface has an average rating of only 7.8 in the U.S., which would not even qualify for the Top 500, but it has an average rating of 8.4 among non-U.S. voters, which would rank it among the Top 100 films ever made. Fight Club carries a rating of 8.6 among U.S. voters (roughly one of the Top 50 highest-rated movies), but an 8.9 among users outside the U.S. (good enough for the Top 10 overall). Perhaps both social commentaries hit some American audiences a bit too close to the mark.)

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Scarface (1983)
Directed by: Brian DePalma
Written by: Oliver Stone
Starring: Al Pacino, Michelle Pfeiffer, Steven Bauer, Mary Elizabeth Mastriano, F. Murray Abraham, Robert Loggia
IMDB Ranking: #174; TSPDT Ranking: #507



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Fight Club (1999)
Directed by: David Fincher
Written by: Chuck Palahniuk and Jim Uhls
Starring: Edward Norton, Brad Pitt, Helena Bonham Carter, Jared Leto, Meat Loaf Aday
Academy Awards: 1 nomination, Sound Effects Editing
IMDB Ranking: #19; TSPDT Ranking: #739

The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: you DO NOT talk about Fight Club!


Next Poll: Two non-American-made films to complete the Cult Classic Bracket.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Iceman on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:11 am

Damn, tough one.

Scarface though. It has to be.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby mom on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:23 am

Scarface-is a must for any movie collection though Fight Club is in my collection too :blush:
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Finli Otego on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:25 am

Fight Club. It's hard to vote against Al Pacino and Brian DePalma, but Fincher is probably my second favorite living director, and he shines with Fight Club. Not to mention the story was written by Palahniuk, an absolute favorite of mine. The film is a BRILLIANT adaptation of his book, translating the darkly comic and nihilistic mood of it perfectly to screen.
This is a bit OT, but Fincher is preparing to film yet another seemingly impossible adaptation, this time of Charles Burns' incredibly dark and disturbing Graphic Novel Black Hole. I couldn't be more happy that he chose to adapt it. I can think of no other director who could do it justice.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby HelloBrian on Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:59 am

Fight Club
Scarface... :bored: ...it's just Al Pacino going nuts with drugs and guns really...well I prefer Edward Norton going nuts with Brad Pitt and soap :thumbsup: .
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Sandiwich11 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:57 pm

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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby CaseyCasey87 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:01 pm

Fight club

Never got the appeal of Scarface really
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby b3rt4 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:13 pm

Come on, Fight Club???

Scarface!
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby PandaVamp on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:19 pm

Fight Club

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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Finli Otego on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:36 pm

One of my favorite parts in the book, that they only use a little of in the film:

"You'll hunt elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center, and dig claims next to the skeleton of the Space Needle leaning at a 45 degree angle. We'll paint the skyscrapers with huge totem faces and goblin tikis, and every evening what's left of mankind will reatreat into empty zoos and lock itself in cages as protection against bears and big cats and wolves that pace and watch from outside the cage bars at night.
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'Imagine,' Tyler said, 'stalking elk past department store windows and stinking racks of beautiful rotting dresses and tuxedos on hangers; you'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life, and you'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. Jack and the beanstalk, you'll climb up through the dripping forest canopy and the air will be so clean you'll see tiny figures pounding corn and laying strips of venison to dry in the empty car pool lane of an abandoned superhighway stretching eight-lanes-wide and August-hot for thousands of miles.'
This was the goal of Project Mayhem, Tyler said, the complete and right-away distruction of civilization."
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby zeek on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:52 pm

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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Luhks on Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:23 pm

Some awesome movie trivia I found the other day:

Oliver Stone believes he was one of the models for Travis Bickle, pointing out that he was being taught by Scorsese at NYU film school at the time, and like Travis he was a Vietnam veteran turned N.Y.C. cabdriver and wore his olive drab army coat while on duty.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby brentoid on Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:36 pm

has to be fight club... for reasons people should be finding self evident...
You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don't
owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to
put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission,
don't even start asking for theirs.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Joshua on Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:47 pm

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Re: Ultimate Movie Cup: Scarface vs. Fight Club

Postby Hatebox on Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:26 pm

Fight Club.

It deals with ideas, mostly successfully.
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