MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Kid_A on Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:37 pm

Clovisc1982 wrote:I missed the point when Adult Desmond meets Young Daniel...how's that ??? :S :S :S :S


Yeah, and that's just one of the parts that I couldn't get. :D
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby mrsb on Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:44 pm

Dogma9 wrote:Maybe what we're seeing is how the OTHERS travel/appear off island?

Like, their mind leaves their body(at the temple), yet, are still able to manifest a physical body off island?? :w00t:

If that IS whats going on, this could be one really important episode.


Great theory, and we know that Daniel's parents are both others, so maybe thats how he traveled to present day Des.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Thirty-Fiver on Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:57 pm

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Thirty-Fiver wrote:Yeah, it really does sound like he's physically time-traveling.

Also, the way Eloise tells Daniel he'll always be a failure because she hopes to discourage his scientist aspirations sounds a lot like Christian and Jack. And Widmore sure does only care about whatever his objective is. Eloise is pushing Daniel away from the Island while dad ushers him to a one way boat trip to the Island. :lol:


That's an interesting parallel between Eloise and Daniel and Christian and Jack. I don't remember Christian discouraging Jack from pursuing science. I do remember him telling Jack that Jack was not a "leader." Maybe Christian was trying to save Jack from something, the way Eloise was trying to save Daniel.


Sorry, I didn't mean Christian discouraged Jack from science; the bold is what I was trying to get at.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Hatebox on Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:59 pm

I can't see the writers thinking of such a small detail 5 years ahead, but an intriguing theory nonetheless.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Thirty-Fiver on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:15 pm

I don't know if I'd necessarily consider that small, though. If it turns out that Jack dies at the end of the series and Christian somehow knew it would happen, that could be the cause for Christian trying to make Jack feel like he isn't made to lead. And that's something I would hope the writers had figured out ahead of time.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Hatebox on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:19 pm

Sure, but jack's self-confidence doesn't have much to do with him getting on the doomed flight in the first place - if Christian really wanted jack to stay out of harm's way he shouldn't have gone on a bender in Oz!
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Thirty-Fiver on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:26 pm

Hatebox wrote:Sure, but jack's self-confidence doesn't have much to do with him getting on the doomed flight in the first place - if Christian really wanted jack to stay out of harm's way he shouldn't have gone on a bender in Oz!


I see what you're saying.

Hmm, Christian might've been such an alcoholic because he felt he failed or was powerless in his attempts in saving Jack.

Lol, maybe I should wait and watch the Variable first before I start coming up with this kind of stuff. :P
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby steveuk2009 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:40 pm

So Confusing glas a synopsis has come out to give me time to rap my head around it and have a genral idea of whats coming as it just sounds very confusing. How is it possiable for dan to give des the journal in 2008 then des give it to a young dan in the 70s.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby SoniZero on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:54 pm

Just after episode 5.05 I posted this theory called "Faraday Figured Out...Sort Of" and after reading the synopsis for the variable it seems like I was fairly close. What do you all think?

Here is the theory with some updated notes:

It's obvious that at some point Daniel, shortly after we see him underground working for Dharma, meets a young girl named Charlotte during the late 1970's/early 1980's.

Since this is technically in Daniel's future chronologically, upon meeting this young redhead immediately remembers his girlfriend from the year 2004/2005 dying and giving him a cryptic message that confuses him. He puts 2 and 2 together and tries to alter the future and save the one he loves by telling her never to come back to the island...because as we see in episode 5.05, he witnessed her death. This doesn't work obviously because Charlotte did come back to the Island (something happened in her life during the timeline in which she met Faraday as a child to course correct because in her "destiny timeline" Daniel was not supposed to tell her that she would die in the future if she came back to the island.)

Ugh...I know this seems complicated and it's hard for me to put into words but the reason it is so confusing is because it involves different times and different character's life experiences. I'll try to map it out easier for you and it really does make a lot of sense.

Daniel's timeline (basically how he sees his life happen from his own point of view): Born off-island in late 1970's/early 1980's, grows up, goes to Oxford, gets on the freighter, arrives at the Island, time jumps with Locke and Co., sees Charlotte die and give him some startling information, gets stuck in Dharma days which is when Locke turned the wheel and stopped the time jumps, starts working for Dharma 30 years in the past, lives at New Otherton, meets young Charlotte, tells her to leave because he is from the future and he knows she dies in the future...that's all we technically know but I'm fairly certain that after this he gets hellbent on changing the future, he leaves the island with his fully updated notebook, finds his younger self off-island and gives him his notebook (think Richard giving Locke the compass and telling him to give it to him in the year 1954)**UPDATED NOTES: As we see from the spoilers Daniel can not contact his younger self and it is Desmond who gives younger Daniel his notebook**END NOTES, tells his younger self what the deal is and to do anything he can to make sure things end up differently in the future knowing what he already knows *NOTE: THIS IS WHERE CURRENT DANIEL AND YOUNGER PAST DANIEL'S CONSCIOUSNESS BEGIN TO OVERLAP*, eventually dies off-island or returns to the island and dies **UPDATED NOTES: As we read he is shot and killed by his own mother, Eloise Hawking **END NOTES,hoping that his actions would prevent future disaster.

Charlotte's timeline (how she sees her life happen from her own point of view): Born on island in late 1970's/early1980's, parents work for Dharma, lives in new Otherton, when she is young she notices this skinny older man staring at her all the time (Faraday), gets creeped out, her mother decides to leave the island, before she leaves the creepy older man talks to her and tells her that he is from the future and to never come back to the island or else she would die, leaves island with mother, has haunting thoughts about where she was born, decides to become an anthropologist in an effort to find where she was born, gets recruited for the freighter, meets a man by the name of Daniel Faraday (a physicist who is recruited to the freighter also) who seems eerily familiar, develops a rapport with Daniel, arrives on the Island, eventually ends up with the castaways on the beach, witnesses the castaways witness plan, Daniel warns her to come with him on the Zodiac raft and leave the island, Charlotte says "no thanks" because she's been searching for the place she was born her entire life and she thinks she may have finally found it, watches Daniel leave discouraged, witnesses time flash, joins up with the people that were left behind, travels with Locke and Co., passes out and starts hemorraging, dies on island but not before informing the audience everything we needed to know about her and finally realizing that her new buddy Daniel was the creepy older man from her childhood.

This is where things get complicated...if they weren't already complicated enough lol.

Younger Daniel timeline (the younger version of Daniel that meets future older Daniel and gets his notebook): born off island in late 1970's/early1980's, grows up, before going to Oxford he meets a creepy old man claiming to be himself from the future who tells hims about a plane crash that occurs in September 2004 and gives him a notebook to prove his credibility, he thinks the old man's crazy and full of **** but he takes the notebook he gives him anywaysUPDATED NOTES: As we know it is not Daniel that gives his younger self the notebook but rather Desmond Hume **END NOTES**, *NOTE: THIS IS WHERE CURRENT DANIEL AND YOUNGER PAST DANIEL'S CONSCIOUSNESS BEGIN TO OVERLAP,* eventually becomes obsessed with what the old man said after reading the notebook and decides to study physics and research time alterization, tears up over a report of a plane crash on television because it is now that he realizes that the crazy old man he met years ago wasn't crazy at all but was in fact himself from the future (no wonder everyone thinks he's crazy right?), gets recruited to go on a science expedition on a freighter and meets a cute British redhead names Charlotte, arrives on Island with the knowledge of everything that will happen for the next x amount of years of his life, attempts to alter the **** future he is destined to have, most of his efforts are futile but shortly after the island is moved he has a revelation, he thinks "Wait a minute...that one Scottish dude that future me told me about who is extremely and miraculously special is still down in that hatch entering a code every 108 minutes(I think his name is Desmond, he's the one that tries to find my mother in the future...hell he's the one I told to find my mother...oh and not to mention I saved his ass and he's my constant). He's the only one that can REALLY change my **** future...This makes no sense at all but what do I have to lose except my consciousness time-looping over and over and reliving tragedy forever? All right, here goes nothing." BAM BAM BAM.

And with that Faraday attempted to change the future...for the 3rd, 4th, or 5th time...who knows? Did it work? We will have to wait and find out.

That's my theory from earlier this season. Do you think it held up for the most part except for a few discrepancies?
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Hatebox on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:11 pm

Well there you have it - Lost's 100th milestone episode doesn't have Locke or Ben in it. If someone had told you that a year ago you'd probably have been surprised.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Thirty-Fiver on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:19 pm

Great job, Soni. I bet any discrepancies found could be explained with Faraday having memory issues. But it looks pretty solid after my initial reading.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby T.L.A. on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:21 pm

Good stuff SoniZero :thumbup: Coming as it did, a full 8 episodes back.

Hatebox wrote:Well there you have it - Lost's 100th milestone episode doesn't have Locke or Ben in it. If someone had told you that a year ago you'd probably have been surprised.


If we forget that 'Stranger in a Strange Land' ever existed, that would make 'Follow The Leader' the magic 100 :P
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Dogma9 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:32 pm

T.L.A. wrote:Good stuff SoniZero :thumbup: Coming as it did, a full 8 episodes back.

Hatebox wrote:Well there you have it - Lost's 100th milestone episode doesn't have Locke or Ben in it. If someone had told you that a year ago you'd probably have been surprised.


If we forget that 'Stranger in a Strange Land' ever existed, that would make 'Follow The Leader' the magic 100 :P


Good call.

Also I think ALOT of convo is left out(non time travel stuff) because we see pics of Dan in the house talking to the losties(stuff we HAVENT seen in the synposis)

Also the cable guide says "Faraday reveals what he knows about the island" I didnt see any island secrets reavealed.

and why does it suddenly say "Complete with the equations tha can save the world" ???? When did they say the world needed saving??

I think I could be wrong(well I guess the sneek peek is proof im not because of the jack/faraday convo) but, I think he did leave out some crucial stuff, and only wanted to concentrate on the time travel.

Im still clinging to a SMALL hope that we discover DHARMA's purpose on the island this episode. I mean Dan once said he spent his entire life researching DHARMA, itd be nice of him to drop some reveals before dying. :lol:
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Hatebox on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:37 pm

It sounds like 85% of the epi is "flashback" (for lack of a better word) and it seems like the guy just didn't bother with the 70s Dharma stuff.

Very doubtful that Locke can be fit into all that.
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Re: MAJOR SPOILERS - Episode 5.14 - Synopsis

Postby Paul on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:38 pm

Is this 2 hour or one hour episode. Because ABC twitter says 2 hours? thats a mistake right?
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