JacobsMom wrote:PandaVamp wrote:Then, he shot the man who refused to leave him behind and, very coldly, chose to shoot him in the leg, not the head, something that would've been more compassionate.
This is exactly what I was thinking too PandaVamp. I understand why it had to be done for survival purposes but why not let Otis die without knowing he was being ripped piece by piece from the Walkers! That was just horrible and the fear from Otis as he ripped a chunk of Shane's hair showed how desperate he was.
Yes, it was so awful... my skin crawls every single time I think about it.
I still don't believe it needed to be done, though. It took a while from the time he shot and fought with Otis to take to bag to the time the walkers reached him. I think that with that time, they both could have escaped alive, but guess Shane wanted to be sure.
All that's going on with them only makes me think that in a situation like this, I probably wouldn't trust anyone, (only my close family). I'm sure there are hundreds of Shanes out there who might want to use you to save their own asses.
I also think that acknowledgment from Lori to stay with the group will only feed Shane's belief that what he did was okay.
Yep, and probably he will keep on trying to get her back until Rick finds out. And when that time comes, things are going to get really interesting, oh yes.
Having that poor guy turned into a walker while he hangs there in the tree was just sad. They have taken zombies to a whole new level, imo! I also liked the fact that it was Daryl and Andrea who find him since she sees first hand that sometimes living might be a little better after all. Daryl has this new compassion that is great since we saw how mean he was during season one.
Yes, it was very sad. And yes, I think it was good Andrea saw him. This was a very interesting episode for the keep going/give up in this new world debate. Although I understand Andrea's and Lori's respective positions and have thought of it myself (that it's not a world for kids), ultimately I think more along the lines of Rick and Dale: as long as you're alive, there's hope.
About Daryl, absolutely. During S1 I saw flashes of compassion in him, but the time he's spent with these people and what they have gone through together is bringing out the best out of him without making him lose his edge and personality. Makes me think of what's going to happen between him and Merle if we ever see him again. Should be interesting.
Bec666 wrote:And personally I would love to see Shane strung up as Zombie supper.
Although I don't think it's possible, I thought of how good it would be to see a zombified Otis chasing him.

Maybe he can have a nightmare or two about it.
CLDeangrl wrote:I think Shane has already shown us, between beating up Ed, almost killing Rick and killing Otis, that he's willing to do whatever it takes and without Rick to act as his moral compass, he could easily turn. And that actually makes him a bigger threat to the others than the zombies are.
Exactly and I can only imagine him becoming that eventually, a threat rather than a helpful friend. How long can unknowing Rick contain Shane's primal nature? I bet Rick is going to find out a couple of things sooner or later and he will confront Shane and who knows how is he going to react. Because that's the most interesting thing about Shane, how unpredictable he's turning out to be.
CLDeangrl wrote:Oh, and I have to wonder whether we've really seen the last of Merle. Would be interesting to see what happened if he suddenly showed up now, wouldn't it?
Yes, that's one of the things I think the fandom is waiting for the most, Merle and the group's reunion, specially with Daryl.
Sometimes, the idea of Merle following the group closely crosses my mind. I keep on thinking he's the one who brought the walkers to the group the night Andrea's sister was bitten. Also makes me think of the possibility of him being the one who took Sophia... I mean, someone must have taken her, either that or a walker ate her, otherwise I don't get how a 12 year old girl can disappear like that for so long.
supermodel wrote:Although has Shane changed or was he always a self-absorbed woman-hating jerk?
That's the thing. I tend to believe it was always an inherent part of his nature, of course, reinforced by the situation they're going through. It's really interesting to see how this zombie apocalypse brings out the best and the worst out of them.
isabelle wrote:I don't blame him for getting close to Lori at the time as they both though Rick was dead so it makes sense that they would bond and I think at first it was about honouring his best friend by keeping his family alive.
But how much time went from the time he left Rick at the hospital and the moment he and Lori decided to have their fun time together? I don't know, maybe I'm too judgemental but I have a hard time understanding how someone can go and have a thing with his best friend's significant other, dead or not. It's something that usually happens on TV shows and movies, and probably real life, but it always rubs me the wrong way and was the first thing to make me dislike Shane and Lori, but certainly more Shane.
isabelle wrote:But other than that, I agree that Shane is totally unstable ad dangerous (partly why I love him lol) and thought he was awful for attacking Lori and considering shooting Rick. At the same time, I really like to believe that Shane wouldn' have actually gone through with either of those things but maybe thats me being to optimistic!
Yeah. The good thing about this show is that I think no one is completely good or bad. I agree there's good in Shane. I was actually starting to warm up to him, and if it wasn't because of what happened, right now I'd see him with different eyes.
isabelle wrote:I also think that Otis needed to be alive otherwise the walkers might not have paid attention to him and even if thats not the case, maybe Shane believed that was the case.
Yes, probably... at least, that's what I've read the most, that he probably thought that, although I think we know that wouldn't have been necessary. If he shot Otis in the head, he would still be warm and yummy for the walkers to get distracted. I mean, they got distracted with flares to begin with, warm meat would definitely do the work as well.
My biggest problem with Shane's actions is precisely the idea of all kinds of things becoming valid as means to an end. He did not respect Otis will to live, and not respecting others' lives, innocent lives, people who are under his same situation... Is there a way back after you cross that line? Maybe there is, but I don't think so. For me, he's doomed.
isabelle wrote:I've seen people on other sites think about what Rick or Daryl would have done in this situation. What do you guys think? I don't think Rick would have even entertained the possibilty of doing what Shane did but I also think that Rick would have thought things through a littler clearer from the beginning so that things would have gone a lot more smoothly and wouldn't have come to this. Not necessarily though, and if it did come down to the same thing then I think Rick would have taken his chances with Otis even if those chances weren't great! Maybe they would have done the 'dress up as walkers' thing he did with Glenn in Atlanta...
No idea what Daryl would have done though!
That's a cool thing to think of, I mean, how would others react.
I agree with you about Rick, on both things. I don't think he would have done what Shane did, not even being about his son's life and certainly would have thought of a better plan. Rick might change eventually and get more pragmatic, but right now he's too correct to even think of something along the lines of Shane's actions.
About Daryl, I read somewhere someone saying he probably would have gone there alone and not only bring the medical supplies but other useful stuff. I think maybe it's a bit exaggerated, but he's a very savvy guy, so I think he probably would have done better than Shane. Plus, Daryl would have no hidden intentions behind the whole thing.